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Welcome to 30 minutes. In our series
party leader interviews before the election

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luck has arrived today
The Christian Democrats' Ebba Busch.

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All party leaders get 30 seconds
on giving his most important message

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to voters before the election.
- Ebba Busch, go ahead.

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Sweden needs to rise as a country.

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Now we have cracked inflation, we have
an estimated growth of 3% this year

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and a normal family with children
get SEK 5,000 more per month

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thanks to our policy.

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The tax burden – lowest in 50 years.
Migration – lowest in 40 years.

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Deadly gang violence has been cut in half.

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And now we see a trend break
also in healthcare

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with care queues reduced by 25%.

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Let's do more.
It is time for Sweden to stand up.

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Thanks for that. Then we move on.

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Ebba Busch is party leader
for the Christian Democrats.

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I have a big heart.

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Lately she has also taken
place on the international stage.

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A settlement with the Swedish
You can trust the Busch government.

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New reactors
will be built in Sweden.

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One of the Tidö government
most important promises before the last election

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was that it would be built
new nuclear power.

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But so far
no construction has started.

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Will it be new nuclear power?
even if you lose the election?

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I think so.

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How will it go
with nuclear power?

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The Christian Democrats want Sweden
must give 1% of GNI in aid.

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Our stance is crystal clear:
it is good with a generous aid.

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Solidarity with the vulnerable.
Generosity...

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But the Tidö government has the opposite
cut aid.

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What does Ebba Busch think about it?

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We will come to the aid,
but we start with nuclear power.

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One of the most important and largest
the issues for this government

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and not least for you
as Minister of Energy.

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-Isn't that a reasonable description?
-Absolutely.

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Business has time and again demanded
a cross-block agreement

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about energy policy, because man
must dare to invest in new nuclear power.

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It's very big and
long-term investments required.

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When we had Energy companies with us
last fall they said the same thing

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so that it is needed
an agreement across the block boundary.

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Last year you held energy talks
with the goal of just making it happen

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such a broad agreement.
Why was that important to you?

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We managed to agree more,
but do not formalize it

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in this classic agreement
as we have seen over the years.

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For me this was important,
because it is important for Sweden.

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I want to be able to ensure
that when we make such a heavy investment

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as an investment in nuclear power
de facto is…

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Something that will last
not just over a generation

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but even
over grandchildren's grandchildren's lifetimes...

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That we have done it
in as broad a consensus as possible

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and in a responsible manner
for the taxpayers.

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Why was the broad consensus
important?

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I want to be sure
that this is not torn up.

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I won't let anyone else decide

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if we do what is right for Sweden
and at what pace.

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I think it is
my duty to the citizens

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that something that will last
over such a long time

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yet have as broad support as possible.

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And that, so to speak,
my party ego does not get ahead

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when I sign for
over a hundred years ahead for Sweden.

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Moreover, not if there is an opportunity
to reach consensus

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which I both assessed at the time
and now judge that there is.

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There was no settlement,
no formalized settlement

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and I perceived it as
that you were really disappointed by it.

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In an interview last fall
you said this about it:

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Different parties
have been prepared to settle

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at different periods during the year.

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But now the Moderates and
The Sweden Democrats themselves declared

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in connection with SVT's party leader debate,
that they vote no

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to an energy settlement,
and of course I regret that.

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I think they have made their point
including how they reported

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its attitude to the agreement
in the party leader debate in Agenda.

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Now the voters know
that Magdalena Andersson and I

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stands for leadership in energy matters
which is what business demands.

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You and Magdalena Andersson
was agreed upon

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that the best for Sweden would be
an agreement

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which housed both nuclear power
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and other energy systems.
But M and SD said no.

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Yes, it is a party leader debate
which you and Camilla Kvartoft held.

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You were there and saw it live.

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The question was put to them,
and they themselves had to answer:

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Should we have an energy agreement?

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They answered no,
and that is what I am referring to.

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For me it is a matter of honor
that if you have had a negotiation

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where there has been a high degree of trust
and talked to each other in confidence

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then I don't go out and give an account
for those details.

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But now the party leaders for both M
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that you didn't think you needed
an energy agreement.

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Therefore - for me it is a matter of honor
- I so clearly refer to it.

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-What did you think of it, then?
- I regret that.

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For that reason we have one
great energy policy together:

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The Liberals, the Sweden Democrats,
The Moderates and KD.

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We are now doing it Magdalena Andersson
not in power with eight years in government.

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We now do what...

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MP had to maintain Swedish competitiveness
and futuristic hostage

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for their ideological locks
in the nuclear power issue in particular.

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Our task is of course not
to help Magdalena Andersson

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to get her government documents together.

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But my task, as I see it,
is to help Sweden

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to have such good conditions going forward
as possible.

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I think I can win elections anyway

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even though I have taken Magdalena
Andersson in hand in the nuclear power issue.

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I regret that we
could not formalize it further.

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You thought that
this settlement was important.

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You brought Magdalena Andersson with you,
or the Social Democrats, for that matter.

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But then your Tidö colleagues say no.
What were you thinking then?

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I had a clear negotiating mandate
when I went into these conversations.

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-Did you have? It has been questioned.
- No, it was crystal clear.

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- What did it come down to?
- It was based on our basic policy.

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But to build a whole
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and where we stated:

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Not doing anything at all
on offshore wind power

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is not very credible
if you want a settlement

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which lasts for a long time,
and I was prepared to do that.

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But you had a mandate, you say.
It has nevertheless been questioned.

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Did you have a mandate from both parties
who then said no?

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From everyone. It is in writing,
and threshed lengthwise and crosswise.

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You had that mandate,
but then they backed out?

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No, then you need to be prepared
all at the same time

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to also say yes to what ultimately
was validly recoverable.

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And I will say this: This spring...

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A year ago soon
did not have S's mandate to lock.

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Then it was they who blocked.

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Then maybe it would have been a little easier
for SD and M.

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Then those conditions changed.

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All parties, except perhaps MP,
have been prepared to go to the finish line

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at different periods,
including the Left Party.

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Now was the time to finish,
and there was nothing.

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Why did it happen like this?
Why did they say no?

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That question must be asked of them.

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They had their own reasons
and reasons for this.

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I want to say two things.

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One: It's a huge advance

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that we managed to become so much more
agreed on energy issues than before.

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Now there is a majority in favour
to protect hydropower

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the cogeneration, which is super important,
at least as important as nuclear power...

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There is a majority in favour
to pave the way for nuclear power

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and smart solutions around wind power

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storage, i.e. different types
of storage possibilities and the like.

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It is a huge win for Sweden.

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It has contributed to
business puts money on the table.

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But if you want to ensure
the big money from business

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and invest in nuclear power going forward,
those to be added in a few years

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then it would have been great if we
had fully taken over last autumn.

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How then? Then had
such an agreement has been...?

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I am completely convinced, from the outside
the conversations I had with business

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that you need to have even more
guarantees than what you have today.

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-For a long-term perspective?
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It is therefore a vote for something
of the red-green parties right now

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is such a big risk taking
with a Swedish future.

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You don't know: Will
Magdalena Andersson's line hold

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against an ultimatum from Helldén?

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So therefore had a formalized
agreement was good...

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I asked you why it happened
like this. You said, "You can ask them."

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But you have been out and about
what you experienced is behind this.

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– Election strategy.
- Yes, exactly. I'll get to it.

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You have spoken about
that party strategists thought

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that the energy issue was good to keep
as a conflict issue in the election.

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Whose party strategists thought so?

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That's my picture, and it's so far
I'm ready to go.

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-You say A, but not B.
- Yes, terribly sorry!

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You said you would
undress the issue and be transparent.

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What do you mean by party strategists?

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I will not pull up
a small personal gallery

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and account for which persons
which is on my blacklist.

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No, I'm talking about which parties
to which you perceive it applied.

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I have answered that anyway,
for they themselves have accounted for

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in the party leader debate in Agenda,
that they said no.

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So party strategists within e.g. M thought
that the question was better to have in the election?

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I think I have answered
well and good on

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why this didn't go through

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and been equally clear with
that S shall be held responsible for

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that we didn't finish before the summer,
when it was easier for other parties.

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What I turn against, and me
understand this is exciting

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because here we disagreed about...

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“Shall we have a deal?
Is there value in that?”

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I'm asking because you said it yourself
that this was so important.

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Absolutely, and me
really stick with it.

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But I still want to put it into perspective

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that the great conflict in Swedish
politics do not go between KD and M

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both of whom are in favor of that energy policy
which business demands.

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The great dividing line runs between
keep order: KD, M, SD, L

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as for this energy policy…

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You buy the pig in the sack
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if you vote for the other parties.

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But I wanted to be transparent
with why this was so important.

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The point is not that we stand a lot
party leader at a press conference

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but it is to be able to ensure
long-term investment terms.

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Nuclear power will be regardless,
but at what price?

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You can push the price down if there are more of you.

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In terms of long-term conditions
shall I bring up another matter

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as you said last fall
in an interview with Dagens Industri...

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We'll see if we can get it up.

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“I can only regret the short-sightedness
with some of my colleagues."

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"Shall we sign for something
which will last for a hundred years in Sweden"

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“it must be more important
than the next 280 days."

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And then it was 280 days
left until the election.

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Do you mean they were more interested
of keeping this question

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as a conflict issue in the election campaign
than to take responsibility for Sweden?

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We made different assessments of
whether to take responsibility for Sweden

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would also be helped by
an agreement with S.

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- I think that many...
- That's not what you say.

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You say they care more about the election

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than that we can sign something
for a hundred years.

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Yes, and I'm sticking to it
this statement.

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I regret that. I thought
that it was short-sighted and small-minded.

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But I respect that they say:

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We don't have to have an agreement
to implement the energy policy.

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And of course we do. We got in
an application for new nuclear power before Christmas.

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But I think the terms
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whether you have a handshake
across the block boundary.

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I think the price tag is affected by

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whether you have a handshake
across the block boundary.

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And I think many
Swedes longed for:

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“You run into so many
political issues."

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“Can you somehow agree
and come forward?"

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I showed that it was possible and
that S were serious. Then you can say:

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"Magdalena Andersson was serious
because she just wanted to use you, Ebba"

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“to resolve a difficult conflict
in her own government documents."

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I don't care, because
would have been good for Sweden.

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– Yes, but you also mean then...
-That others didn't reason like that?

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The Moderates and the Sweden Democrats
were more interested in

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to tactic before the election
than to take responsibility for Sweden's future

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as you see it. So you have to
interpret what you say.

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That's a pretty harsh accusation
against a prime minister, for example.

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And that's why
I don't put the words like that.

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For my Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson
has taken on far more responsibility

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in the energy issue, for Sweden, than...

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But I can only ask, Ebba Busch
- because you talk about party strategists

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wanted to keep this question,
and says they were more interested

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of the choice than of signing something
which will last for a hundred years.

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That's an accusation against them
on tactics before the election

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rather than taking responsibility for Sweden?

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And that accusation lands well
Ulf Kristersson's knee, so to speak?

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But I... Again, Ulf Kristersson
is not the problem in the energy issue.

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He has been a big part of
the solution to the energy issue.

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I wonder if he was the problem in that
bring about such an agreement.

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We made different assessments of just in case
an agreement was needed

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for the good of Sweden
- I have to respect that.

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I make my case, but won't come
sit and throw crap at someone else.

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You already did, right?

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I have come up with a harsh assessment

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and my assessment of
why the agreement was needed.

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Can I just go to
the actual issue, then?

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Or, first – that they acted on it
this way, as you perceive it...

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What do you think about it?

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I can think and think anything possible
about that. I...

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Yes, that's why you're here,
partially.

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Yes, but I also note
that we got as far as we did in October

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and since then I have moved on
with trying to deliver

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best possible policy for Sweden.

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But if I had to decide, if I
sat in solitary majesty and determination

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but now Swedish politics does not look like that.

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Then we had an agreement
today

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and it would have been good for Sweden.

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I still believe that
would be good, even after the election.

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That you did not get to the broad,
formalized the agreement

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has it made it more difficult
to get new nuclear power?

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No, but I think we will notice
that in the negotiations ahead, when...

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The project application has now been received,
but when negotiating the terms.

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That's why I say I
still think it would be good

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if you could have a formal settlement
to some extent...

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You knew it could be more expensive
and harder to get on good terms.

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Yes, and then I think... The market
values political stability.

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So for the good of the tax payers is
it's good if we can be together

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on both sides of the block boundary,
and push the price down.

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And for the good of Sweden
is also important to point out

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that the Swedish nuclear power programme
is bigger than just Ringhals.

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It may involve multiple sites,
more nuclear power reactors

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and it is important to
we receive those applications

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so that it can also be included
and contribute to depressing the price.

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We must move on,
but I just want to hear…

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You said you had a mandate
when you entered the negotiations.

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You think it would have been very
important to achieve this.

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You are the Minister of Energy.

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That nothing happened,
is it a failure for you?

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Yes, you can offer that...!

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I think that would have been great
if we had managed to...

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We do incredibly good things
for Sweden anyway? Yes.

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During our time we have achieved

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well over 7,000 MW more
installed production capacity.

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2,000 MW in more power output.

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It is almost equivalent
two nuclear power reactors.

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More companies and households
can connect...

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But nuclear power was the big question!

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- Maybe I don't think so...
-Not?!

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-Before the election? From your side.
- It got the most media attention.

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But I myself have been involved
and wrote large parts by hand

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of the Tidö Agreement in the field of energy –
hydropower was at least as important.

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Cogeneration – at least as important.

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That we would receive a delivery
safety goal, a planning goal

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that we should consider robustness, come
away from the battle between power punches

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and look at the system as a whole
- we have delivered on all of that.

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That's not how I experienced it during
the electoral movement, that will be up to you.

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-And possibly not...
- The conflict was the nuclear force.

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You know what? Now we leave that subject
and moves on.

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And takes us to the aid – too
an issue that has been important to KD.

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In December, your representative wrote,
Alf Svensson, a post on Facebook

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of which he was critical
the government's aid policy.

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He wrote like this: "That Sweden does not
can bet one percent of the hundred"

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“on people dying of starvation
and plagued by dictatorships"

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"Nobody makes me believe that."

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"Europe and Sweden
is in debt to Africa. Actually!"

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What he means is that you have failed
the one percent target

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and he is critical of that.

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1% of GNI, gross national income,
would go to aid, as before.

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What do you answer Alf Svensson?

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I think...
We completely agree with each other

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in that we have a huge responsibility
to help people in need.

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Both in Sweden, in our country,
and beyond our country's borders

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and therefore we have held the line that
we shall share our riches

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and we must both go to people
in urgent need, urgent humanitarian aid

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but it must also happen
development aid.

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Both to spread democracy and to
be able to lift countries out of poverty.

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But he thinks it's bad
that you have scrapped this.

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This was part of
The Tidö negotiation.

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And I think, in all honesty

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that it is possible to hold the line
"a generous aid"

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and both take responsibility for them
who is in Sweden and is in need

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and help people abroad

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without locking it
at a fixed percentage.

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Because you have before
been very into.

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Before the last election, you were asked the question
by the aid organization Diakonia

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if the one percent target
would be protected and remain.

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Then you answered yes to that question.

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And you even said that KD
is a guarantor of the one percent target.

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Then came the election and the government - and so on
aid was cut, that was scrapped.

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Why that?

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Our basic position
is a one percent target

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but there was no support for…

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You would be a GUARANTEE for that.

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Yes, and so were we
in the negotiations at Tidö castle.

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-How then?
- We ran that line.

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But if you were a GUARANTEE...
That warranty didn't really last?

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We didn't get through this

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and made such a good compromise
as could be done

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where we chose to focus a lot
on the content.

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I have met negotiating parties
who were only interested in

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to withdraw aid to negotiate
other parts of the budget

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and I have been interested in
to reform aid.

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It has been at least as important
component for KD, to ensure

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that it - one - just doesn't work
into the UN's great black hole

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where it is much more difficult to follow
where does the aid go?

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and – two – that many of them
civil society organizations we have

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where it is actually easier to follow
where the money has gone

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and what effect they have had

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that they should have greater opportunity
to the Swedish aid pot...

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You can drive that
even if you keep the one percent target?

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That it is important
where the aid goes.

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Why did you choose to give way?
in that particular matter?

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All parties chose to give way
in a lot of questions.

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Yes, exactly that, but I haven't
all parties here, but only you.

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- You have us all trip-stair-troll...
- But it was an important issue for KD.

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Why did you join?

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Like this. If enough people
Swedes vote for only KD

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then we will be able to have one
one-party government with only KD policy.

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It doesn't look like that, but everyone
parties have given and taken

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in these negotiations, and we got
give us some of the aid policy

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but got through reforms in return
for aid policy

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which others were not interested in
when we started the negotiation.

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When you were asked again
Diakonia during the term of office

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about aid and the one percent target

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you promised again that it would
back to 1% by 2027.

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Since then, you have been involved in
decide to lower it further.

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The party's basic line is still
around a one percent target

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but it is not realistic that we
gets a hearing for it in the negotiations.

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But should you continue
to exhibit these promises?

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We still have a basic stance
in our principle program

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in the view of aid and parliamentary
decisions from which we operate

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but this is basically how it is in everyone
issues, including in the energy field

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as we just discussed
- there I had an intact KD policy

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but I haven't received that either
through to one hundred percent, unfortunately.

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Then we finally take
a completely different topic.

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The question is whether Sweden should participate
and developing European nuclear weapons.

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It is a question that came up after
the concern that the US will cut back on

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his defense of Europe, and thus said
Ulf Kristersson in Agenda last Sunday.

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Basically, we have to value

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that there are more democracies
in the world that has nuclear weapons

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even though we would rather be
without nuclear weapons in the world.

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And what do you say when France asks
if we want to join and support them?

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I say that since we joined NATO
we are fully on board

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in all discussions, even in Europe,
which revolves around nuclear weapons.

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Not because we want to
that they are to be used.

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As long as dangerous countries have nuclear weapons

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must also healthy democracies
have access to nuclear weapons.

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So Sweden could cooperate in
such a program e.g. with France?

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Yes, we are in ongoing discussions now,
with France and Great Britain.

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They are not very precise yet
– and the French are uniquely French.

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But France also shows an openness
to discuss with other countries.

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That's what it said in Agenda last Sunday

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and yesterday KD's Europa wrote
parliamentarian Alice Teodorescu

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together with the members of the Riksdag
Mikael Oscarsson and Magnus Berntsson

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and argued that Sweden
shall support the development of

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a European nuclear weapons program.
What do you see in front of you? What do you want?

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We need to strengthen
the European defense leg

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and it's about securing
that we have enough

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of own deterrence.

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And nobody wants nuclear weapons.

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After all, we are for the non-proliferation line:

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That we should see no more nuclear weapons
in the world.

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But now the security situation does not look like
just like that

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and then you have to be aware of
that NATO cooperation

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and deterrence
which is there

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it builds on
that there is a nuclear umbrella.

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And we must be open to that
and shave with.

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Then it must be
strong enough.

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Does that mean you
do not fully trust Donald Trump

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and that the United States stands up for Article 5
in the NATO Treaty

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and comes to the protection of his allies
if needed?

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No, but it's about
that we need to do our own homework.

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I'm pretty tired of that much
Swedish discussion continues to circulate

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around what Donald Trump wakes up
and decides to tweet

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and not instead looking after
how we strengthen our own economy.

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We had average GDP growth
the last 15 years at about 2.5%

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while the US was well over four
- we are lagging behind there.

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And the same thing about the defense,
so it is only now that we have surrendered

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to reach five percent of GDP.

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Sweden does,
and we will reach 2.8% of GDP this year.

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And part of what Europe does
his homework on the defense issue

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is also about the fact that we have a
nuclear umbrella that is a deterrent.

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Britain and France have it
- we should be grateful for that.

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So regardless of what the US does you think that
Europe to invest in more nuclear weapons?

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We must have a sufficiently strong one
European Defense Leg

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including a European one
nuclear umbrella.

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And then there is Britain and
France which currently has it.

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Do you think that Sweden should participate?
- because you are talking about the need for support

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to develop and research around
nuclear weapons in France, via the EU?

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So you think that Sweden should be included
and pay, in part, for nuclear weapons?

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Just as my prime minister is inside
on - there are discussions in their infancy

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and I don't think we should lock ourselves up
too early

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in what Sweden can imagine
to assist there and not.

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The important thing is that we have the strength
be clear about this.

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I was in Berlin at the beginning of the week,
there is also a big discussion:

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How to, with your tough
economic situation in Germany

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- Thank goodness Sweden has
a completely different economic situation –

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continue to be able to invest in defence?

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There, the nuclear umbrella is one of many
parameters that need to be considered.

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Can you imagine in the future
to place nuclear weapons in Sweden?

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I am a realist,
and don't see it as realistic

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that Sweden should deploy nuclear weapons
on Swedish soil.

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It is France and Great Britain
who have it today

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and we basically don't want to see it
in several places.

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But it's about us together
must ensure that Europe stands strong

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and that Sweden is strong in Europe.

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That's what Ebba Busch says,
party leader for KD.

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- Thank you very much for coming here.
-Thank you very much.

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30 minutes are up for tonight

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but you can see more of Ebba Busch
and see more answers from her

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via our colleagues at Nyhetskoll

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who quickly interviews the party leaders
after each program.

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You can see that on SVT.se
or in our news app.

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30 minutes is back in a week.

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The Center Party's
Elisabeth Thand Ringqvist is coming here.

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Feel free to watch then too.
Thanks for tonight.

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